Episode 227: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Joshua

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Pete ruins the book of Joshua and evangelical home décor in one fell swoop by examining the historicity of the conquest narrative and the theological consequences of a warrior God who condones violence. Join Pete as he answers the following questions:

  • When was Joshua written?

  • What is Joshua actually about?

  • What is the Deuteronomistic History?

  • What’s interesting about the translation of Joshua into Greek?

  • Why do so many of the Joshua stories parallel Moses stories?

  • How does Rahab play into the narrative of the conquest of the land? Does she really convert to believing in Yahweh?

  • Did the conquest of Canaan actually happen as described? Or at all? What about the walls tumbling down at Jericho?

  • What does it say about God that he orders the extermination of an indigenous people so that others could move in and claim it for their own?

  • If the story of the conquest of Canaan isn’t historically accurate, where did the biblical story of the conquests come from?

  • How are we to handle the biblical tradition of violence seemingly ordered by God?

  • What’s the deal with the sun standing still in Joshua 10?

  • What clues do we get about who might have been the author of Joshua?

  • How do lessons from the book of Joshua segue into the next few books of the Bible?

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  • Joshua sets up the remainder of the Deuteronomistic History by detailing the conquest of the land, the division of the land then among the twelve tribes, and reminding the Israelites about their covenant with God and the necessity of strict obedience to the law of Yahweh. — @peteenns 

  • The Greek of Joshua differs from the Hebrew not because of the translator having issues, but because the translator was working with a different Hebrew version of Joshua altogether. We have not one version of Joshua, but at least two. — @peteenns 

  • The point being made, it seems to me, is that the conquest of the land is a continuation, actually an extension, of the Exodus story, as if the Exodus story is not yet complete. — @peteenns 

  • The same God is with the Israelites now under Joshua, and he's with them under Joshua as he was with the Israelites coming up out of Egypt under Moses. The only difference is that this time, the Israelites are told not to cave into fear and screw it up again. Hence Joshua's admonition to be "strong and courageous, do not be frightened or dismayed.” — @peteenns 

  • There's a real marked tendency in this early literature to remove moral ambiguities or flaws from biblical figures so they can be complete black and white models of virtue or vice. You don't have mixed moral messages from some of these heroes from the past. — @peteenns 

  • Did the conquest happen? There is a general and very strong agreement among biblical scholars that the conquest of Canaan, as described in Joshua 6-12, did not happen. — @peteenns 

  • The archaeological data do not support the massive military sweep that the book of Joshua lays out, which seems quite exaggerated. — @peteenns 

  • The biblical story is an ideological exaggeration that portrays God as their mighty warrior, leading the people into battle, which reflects the general portrayal of the gods as warriors at that time. But archaeology suggests things were not quite like this. — @peteenns 

  • Even if the biblical conquest narrative is not historical, the point is that the ideology of extermination is still part of the biblical tradition, and that has to be taken seriously and not avoided. — @peteenns 

  • It may be hard, sometimes impossible, to see God well in some of Israel’s stories, but we do get a good picture of how these ancient Israelites experienced God. — @peteenns 

  • Reading the Bible responsibly and respectfully today, I really think means learning what it meant for ancient Israelites to talk about God the way they did, and not pushing modern alien expectations onto texts written long ago and far away. — @peteenns 

  • The ancient tribal description of God as warrior is not the last word for either Judaism or Christianity. Taking someone's land through violence is simply not a gospel way of living. — @peteenns 

  • Christians today have an obligation not to follow the Bible here in Joshua, not to allow the ancient tribal description of God of the Old Testament to be the last word.  — @peteenns 

  • These ancient writers had an adequate understanding of God for their time and in their time, but not for all time. And if we take that to heart, we will actually be in a better position to respect these ancient voices and to see what they have to say, rather than making up explanations or excuses to ease our stress. — @peteenns 

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Pete Enns

Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. Tweets at @peteenns.

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