Episode 212: Pete Enns - Pete Ruins Numbers

Get your calculators ready…in this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete explores the book of Numbers in all its numerical and narrative glory—census lists, marches around the tabernacle, geopolitics, and even a talking donkey. What’s not to love? Join Pete as he digs into the following questions:

  • What is Numbers even about?

  • Who is the author of Numbers? 

  • Is Numbers a historical account?

  • Where do we get the name “Numbers” from?

  • What is the function of the census lists in Numbers?

  • How was Numbers written, and when was it written? 

  • Is there a Nerd Alert in this episode? (Yes)

  • What are people doing marching around the tabernacle? 

  • Can you explain the part of Numbers that I always skip reading because it’s so boring?

  • How does Numbers fit into Torah and which themes do they have in common?

  • What’s with the bronze serpent that heals people who look at it?

  • What’s with the talking donkey?

  • What archeological evidence do we have for Israelite conquest stories?

Tweetables

Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Pete you can share.

  • There’s lot of wandering in Numbers. I think they should have called it “wandering” instead of Numbers. — @peteenns 

  • Oddly specific numbers give the story some teeth, some sense of realness to the story, what they call verisimilitude. So they perform a function there too. The oddness of the numbers does not speak to their historical value. — @peteenns 

  • Like the other books of Torah, Numbers is not a book created out of whole cloth by one person in one sitting…it was edited together at some point in Israel’s history from various earlier sources, and those sources were probably oral and written. — @peteenns

  • Scholars overwhelmingly agree that all this business about well-organized tribes marching around seems to be not really a historical snapshot, but more reflecting an idealized past on the part of the later authors and compilers of Numbers. — @peteenns

  • We are dealing here in Numbers with something that is more like Israel’s self-portrait looking back at the past and writing a story where they portray themselves in a certain way. It’s not what we might call a “pure historical account.” — @peteenns

  • The stories of the deep past were told really to comment on the writer’s present, and where they are and where they’re going. — @peteenns

  • I happen to believe firmly that no argument concerning abortion on either side of the debate can be based simply in Bible verses. — @petenns

  • I think the real arena for the [abortion] debate is in the world of theology and Christian ethics—which is a vastly more interesting and vital approach, one that’s actually built to handle the complexities of all sorts of issues we face today, and does a much better job than proof-texting. — @peteenns

  • Some sort of rebellion against God or God’s chosen authority figure is a common theme in the Hebrew Bible, including not listening to the prophets. For Christians, that theme culminates in the New Testament where Jesus likewise is despised and rejected along with the apostles. — @peteenns

  • We are reading here how an ancient tribal Iron Age people, the Israelites, how they understood God in their context and their world: God is like a warrior. We’re hearing what their understanding of God in their context was. I don’t think we’re getting a take on, “this is what God is like forever and always.” — @peteenns

  • It always surprises me how overly concerned some are to protect biblical inerrancy, but to do that at the expense of God’s character. Think about what we’re doing there when we protect these sections of the Bible rather than critique them. — @peteenns

Mentioned in This Episode

Pete Enns

Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. Tweets at @peteenns.

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